Cooling recommendations?


#14

@Bernard Did you experience any heat related problems? How hot does your case get?

The LimeSDR is probaly fine with the operating temperatures mentioned here. I installed mine in a really small aluminum case with luftec-panels, and the case does not get any warmer than 35 degrees on the bottom and some 33 degrees on top and sides.

I do not think this is something to worry about, unless you really want to worry.


#15

This depends on the typical ambient temperature, application(s), whether it’s in an enclosure and if it is, the size, if it has vents and whether there is anything else in that enclosure — along with potentially many other variables.

The LimeSDR board is a component in a system and given the many different potential hardware and software configurations it could be used with, there is no single recommended cooling solution.


#16

We have data from above…
My all metal sealed solution, keep the edges of lime board on average 34 C
Only problem may be on the surface of major chips, where my max measured temp.
going around 55 C, using only one RX with 20 MHz bandwith…


#17

I saw your cast case. I looked at those. I was looking for similar but instead of smooth exterior surface a heatsink casting. As for the chips I am convinced their lifespan will be improved by having heatsinks, probably their performance too at high rates for long periods.

Also the only viable option for placing heatsinks on the chips is to use thermal tape since thermal goo requires additional mechanical connector to keep heatsink in place which would not be easy to add to this board. In another post I have links to performance of the different thermal adhesives.


#18

Dear Andrew
My operating conditions are at 20°C at 1013 Hpa.
The LimeSDR is in a metal case to minimize EMI.
Knowing that the temperature can lead to drifting and a reduction in the lifetime of the components and that the LimeSDR board is designed to connect a fan with a triggering regulation to a temperature threshold
In these conditions, I would like to complete my case by a fan cooling, effective and silent.
You the manufacturer, what type of fan recommended you?
In advance, thank you for your answer.


#20

Hi @Bernard,

This is what we have tested:

  1. MB40100V2-000U-A99
  2. MC30060V1-000U-A99

Connect it using 0.05" (1.27mm) 2 pin socket to J14.

Fan On/Off temperatures (with hysteresis):

  1. Will be on, when temperature is more than 55 deg C
  2. Will be off, when temperature is less than 45 deg C

Connection diagram is as shown bellow.
Hope this helps.


My LimeSDR is dropping frames
Issues with using LimeSDR in MIMO2x2 Spatial Multiplexing Mode
#21

Thank you Zack for your information
What is the Type, model, Referency of the Jumper or connector to use (None were provided)
Thank you for your reply
Bernard


#22

As I wrote:
Connect it using 0.05" (1.27mm) 2 pin socket to J14.
Something like this.


#23

or you can solder “regular” 2.54mm (0.1’’) pins yourselve - it is much easier to find and buy 2.54mm sockets…


#24

Or you can solder the wires to J13 directly :slight_smile:


#25

Does anyone know a mouser/digikey part number for a connector or even the jumper for the 1.27mm pitch?


#26

Does anyone know a mouser/digikey part number for a connector or even the jumper for the 1.27mm pitch?

DO NOT use a jumper, that would short circuit ground to the 3.3v rail and damage your board.


#27

I was not planing on using a jumper for the fan. There are other 1.27mm jumpers on the board I wanted a few extras but thanks for the warning - I guess it wasn’t clear.


#28

@rast It appears that European connectors are 1.27mm (such as Zack’s link) and American are 1.25mm. Mouser and Digikey carry the Molex Picoblade 1.25mm connectors, which we have successfully fit to the J14 header. We did a lot of searching, but would like to be proved wrong.


#29

Hello @rast,

Here is a 1.27mm jumper from Digi-Key. Just do not use it for fan as rightly warned mzs!

By the way, you can find all the components, suppliers and part numbers in LimeSDR-USB BOM.


#30

Hello @Zack
Just found this thread and read the specs of the FANs you’ve tested.
I see they are rated for 5VDC and the board FAN header is labeled 3.3V.
I assume this is not an issue and they would just run slower.
I already have a 5VDC brushless FAN in my spares drawer (this one: http://www.mouser.it/ProductDetail/ADDA/AD0505LB-G708-LF ) and it also has lower power at 450 mW.

Could you please confirm that I could use this as well ?

I was initially considering to run a fan continuously to avoid glitches on power possibly affecting the board… did you observe any effect due to the temperature triggered ON/OFF switching ?

thank you,
mario


#31

A sealed box filled with helium might help a bit with heat transfer, it has a much higher heat transfer coefficient than nitrogen. Combined with a box designed as a heat sink (like a Hughes ODU case) and good glue on heatsinks on the chips and you’ve gone the telecom route.


#32

I’m planning to put my LimeSDR board into a 100x76x35mm aluminum case with Luftek front and rear panels.

Instead of the “ears” that come with the Luftek panels, I plan to use thermally conductive electrically insulated pads between the bottom of the LimeSDR and the bottom of the case, and threaded aluminum hex spacers so that the board is well grounded to the case through the four mounting holes (which go to the ground plane), and so that heat from the bottom of the board will be conducted to the aluminum case which will act as a head spreader. I will also be adding an aluminum heat sink to the top half of the aluminum case for further heat dissipation. I might also put metal heat sinks on top of the big square packaged chips.

Is any of this going to mess up the RF performance of the board?

W0JT


#33

Nope.


#34

And for those just wanting to heatsink their LimeSDR, check out this post today -----> Heatsinking Your LimeSDR

73 de Marty, KN0CK